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When I first bought my iMac G5, I commented that a TV tuner meant that the iMac couldn’t take over in the living room. Since then Apple have launched the Mac Mini, which I think sets out a plan to get in on the living room market.

So a TV tuner would make a lot of sense for either the Mac Mini, or the TV-like iMac G5. Thankfully, Elgato make just such a thing, the eyetv 410. I’ve had one for over a month now, and thought I’d share my opinion on the product. Overview

The eyetv 410 is badged as “truly mobile television on your mac”. I’m not quite sure that “truly mobile” fits the bill, as with the box (which is quite light), cables, antenna and the mac itself, you’ll not have much room in a bag for much else. However, with it’s firewire port giving it all the power it needs at least the power supply isn’t necessary.

To me the most important feature was that it would receive terrestrial digital television, so I could watch everything I could already receive on my old on-digital box. Recording things was secondary. However, as I write this, I have about 15Gb of free disk space, from 90Gb free before I bought it. Go figure ;-)

Setup It’s very easy to setup. It really was a case of plugging it in to the firewire socket on your mac (a USB version exists for PC’s I believe), installing the software and “go’. It scans available channels and identifies which channels are available.

Because of the house we’re in, my reception of the initial signals was rather rubbish. That was resolved by plugging in the antenna to a signal booster I had in my box of techie stuff. I’ve recently got another aerial to try out, as the supplied one is little more than a piece of wire with a cable attached.

Scanning for available channels takes a few minutes. It’s then a matter of selecting the channels to watch, and away you go. A few simple keyboard combos (or through the on-screen controller) allows you to easily change the window size.

The system comes with a small remote control, but I’ve been entirely unable to get it working. Possibly due to flat batteries included by default, but I prefer to use the Mac itself for control. It

Programming

In the UK, the eyetv 410 comes with a subscription, valid for a year to tvtv.co.uk, which hooks in to the system reasonably well (once you work out their rather tortuous enabling process: It took me a good 10 minutes to get my account working). This is an internet based TV schedule service: Find the programme you’re interested in, click the record button, and your eyeTV will schedule up to record the program. It does depend on how often your eyeTV is configured to log in and download the requested programmes of course, but as you’re likely to be on your computer when you set them, you can manually check the schedule.

I’ve not yet worked out how to program it to record every programme in a series yet, so I’m still having to ensure I log back in again every few days to check ahead for programmes I want to record or watch.

I suppose I was a bit disappointed that there was no inbuilt software that did just this in some way (quite how, I’m not sure). After a year, I’ll have to fork out about £15 for another year of service. All said, it’s quite a decent service, once you configure it for your region (by default you get the national channels, so if you live in Scotland like me, you need to change BBC1 to BBC1 Scotland. You’ll also need to rename the channels to make sure they match tvtv’s, such that BBC One is BBC 1 if appropriate)

If you don’t want that sort of service though, there is a manual option, which has a decent interface, is every bit as easy to record (to me) as most video or dvd recorders these days.

Day to day use

Most of the time, I just want to watch a spot of TV (such as the channel 4 news as I write this), and it’s simply delightful to have a small window in the corner of my display whilst I work.

The quality is excellent, and when running in a window you don’t honestly notice the higher resolution of an LCD display over a normal CRT television. At full screen you do notice some of the mpeg encoding “wobble” where sections of the image are compressed down: It’s only noticeable if you look closely at slow moving sections of the screen.

You can change channels with the controller dialogue that is usually available on the screen (it can be hidden), and there are short-cuts to change channel, ie. press ‘4′ to change to channel 4 which quickly become useful.

Most funky of all is the ‘pause live-tv’ feature, which any user of digital tv recorders will be used to. Hit the space bar whilst watching a live programme, and it will pause the display, allowing you to go and make a cup of tea and return, without having missed a thing. You can skip forward up to the live broadcast during breaks of course.

Playback of recorded programmes is very easy. Programmes recorded through the online scheduler usually have the name of the programme next to it, as well as the date, so it’s easy to identify what’s what. Double click on it, and it launches.

Programmes can be exported to various formats, but I’ve not really experimented with this. It does take quite a while to transcode into a suitable format for DVD rippers. I prefer to actually just burn a native export of a programme onto a CD or DVD (or just via firewire copy to my laptop booted up as a disk with the mac-t on boot trick) and then run it into the TV through VLC or mplayer X on my Powerbook laptop.

Apple fans might complain that aesthetically it’s b rushed metal look is clunky. I’d agree to a point, before pointing out that most TV’s are box-like and ugly. Given the cables are long enough you can hide it under a desk, it’s really not a problem. But there’s room for improvement.

How much?

I paid £199 via Apple’s UK store, which was between £10 and £20 cheaper than other sites (froogle didn’t help much then either). Shipping was included, which was nice, but - as is sadly the usual case - shipment took a bloody age. Apple really do need to sort out their parcel delivery: It took 15 days to reach me after ordering - much longer than I’d hoped: In hindsight, I’d probably pay more for a guaranteed delivery from a UK based supplier.

In summary…

The EyeTV 410 is a great little box. It does exactly what you’d expect and want, and truly turns the iMac G5 (and - I’d guess - the Mac Mini) into everything you want. It’s a hard disk space guzzler mind, a one hour programme will take up about 2Gb of space.

I only wish the online service at tvtv wasn’t quite as clunky, and had more information further in advance than they currently offer. Although that’s probably outside the control of them due to the broadcasters only releasing the details late on, it’s missing some key features such as recording based on series preference, and possibly (although I’d not use it) pre-emptive recording along the lines of TiVo.

For sheer quality and flexibility of the technology, it’s excellent: 8/10 Technical features, it’s software is missing a couple of nice-to-haves, but is otherwise excellent: 9/10 For appearance, it’s clunky and boxline: No sleek white Apple colours: 6/10 Online service, it’s frustrating to use at first, but functional: 6/10

Overall, 8/10 - Whilst there is clearly room for improvement, the eyetv 410 a great addition to any mac setup in a home context, who want to make wider use for their kit.

14 Responses to “A Review of Elgato eyeTV 410 : TV on your Mac”

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    jbelkin Says:

    If you don’t need the timeshift thing, you can also run it through a camcorder and a tuner (provided your camcorder can pass through a signal) and use iMovie or this free download: http://developer.apple.com/samplecode/HackTVCarbon/HackTVCarbon.html

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    Nur Says:

    I read that you can remotely, via the internet, set eyetv to record. I have been looking at the Elgato site and the Tvtv site and can’t find out anything about this. Have you managed it, is it possible?

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    Richard Says:

    Once you setup the Elgato 410, it steps through creating an account on tvtv. Once you’re logged in, you can click on a particular programme to record. The EyeTV device checks in regularly (user definable) and downloads the latest programmes.

    So it’s perfectly possible to do it remotely, you just need to know your user id and password to the tvtv website.

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    iFelix Says:

    I certainly have used tvtv remotely via the internet to record programmes.

    The only issue I have had is when there is a clash in which case this needs to be resolved manually and can not be done remotely.

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    Wai Keong Lock Says:

    I recently purchased eyeTV for my iMac G5 that is able to receive FreeView channels. However, the “supplied” antena is really weak and I am no where near my home fixed antena point. You did mention that you have a signal booster, can you let me know where can I go about getting it?

    Thanks,
    Wai Keong

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    Richard Says:

    I bought the signal booster from a standard electrical goods shop here in the UK. Dixons I think it was. I’ve seen them for sale in plenty of other such shops, so I’m sure if you go and look in any shop that sells TV’s, you should be able to get one.

    Make sure you check that the appropriate cabling is included, because the male/female setup could be a bit complicated. They usually do.

    You might also want to consider getting a better aerial, because as you say, it’s a bit rubbish unless you live right next to a television mast!

    Here are a few options from froogle (Don’t know if any of them are any good, but might give you a few ideas)

    http://froogle.google.co.uk/froogle?q=tv+signal+booster&btnG=Search+Froogle“>http://froogle.google.co.uk/froogle?q=tv+signal+booster&btnG=Search+Froogle

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    Nigel Says:

    Loads of hastle trying to get Mac just to see this contraption.
    I have a PCI USB 2.00 card, though the setup assistant nag screen says it’s USB 1.0.
    As a consequence, after entering the activation code, the ‘next’ button is greyed out - presumably because the mac doesn’t see the device.
    Strange, as it shows as a ‘high speed usb bus’ on mac profiler!
    Any suggestions welcome. I have asked Elgato and am still awaiting reply.
    (Mac OSX 10.4.5 - Elgato TV2 v2.1)

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    Richard Says:

    Hi Nigel,

    I’m afraid I don’t have any suggestions myself - My device is a Firewire device. If your computer is saying it’s only recognising your expansion card as USB 1.0, I’d suggest that’s where you need to look - as USB1.0 is very slow in comparison to both Firewire and USB 2.0. Have you checked for updated drivers from the manufacturer?

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    leyton.org » New Gadgets (part 3): Humax PVR-9200T Says:

    [...] For the last couple of years, I’ve been quietly using a PVR (Hard disk based Video Recorder) that plugged into my G4 Powerbook (See my review here. Unfortunately, it suffered from the problem that it required my laptop to be both next to the tv, plugged in to the EyeTV, with sufficient space. It also failed the “mess test”, ie. there were a lot more cables in front of the TV than strictly necessary. [...]

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    Richard Says:

    Worth pointing out this box works just fine with my MacBook Pro, and undoubtedly would work just fine with the Mac Mini. Elgato do have more recent products available, which are worth checking out too.

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    Techie Musings » New Gadgets (part 2): devolo dLAN Ethernet over mains Says:

    [...] So I’m really quite chuffed. I’ve now got my Elgato EyeHome plugged into the TV, and one of the adaptors into the wall socket behind the TV. The other is plugged into a wall socket next to the router, and from there straight into the router. My iMac hosts all my historic EyeTV recordings, plus all my music and pictures, so it streams content right down to the EyeHome without problems. We can now watch TV, movies, look at pictures and listen to music (regrettably apart from the stuff bought on iTunes Music store) on the television, streaming off my iMac two floors up in the loft. [...]

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    James Siemens Says:

    Hi. I’m wondering if there are any issues with available bandwidth, or monthly broadband download limits.

    I am considering buying the 410, but want to be sure that it will make a good replacement for my tv, so any issues I should be aware of would be helpful to hear about.

    Good review above, by the way.

    Thanks.

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    Richard Says:

    James - I’m not sure what you’re worrying about bandwidth for. The product is a TV tuner that plugs in to your computer. That’s it! Internet access isn’t required.

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    James Siemens Says:

    Ah! How silly of me. I entirely misunderstood what the product was. My assumption was that it somehow depended on internet access. In any case, now that I ‘get it’, it looks to be exactly the sort of thing I want. Again, thanks for your review and comment.

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